Ms. Moon,

I’ve been torn about writing this.  In part because “An open letter to _____” just sounds pretentious to me.  And partly because I know there have already been twenty-four gazillion responses to your 9/11 blog post, Citizenship.

I’ve recommended your blog on multiple occasions, for your thoughtfulness and perspective.  I disagree with much of what you say in your 9/11 post, but that doesn’t change my appreciation for other things you’ve written.

That said, I strongly disagree with what you wrote about citizenship and the obligations of the Muslim community with regard to the Mosque at Ground Zero (which is, in fact, neither a Mosque nor at Ground Zero.)

I do agree with much of what you say about citizenship, and about people’s obligation and responsibility to their nation.  I would even expand that obligation to the need to contribute to the betterment of self, of family, of nation, and of the world.  (And beyond, for that matter … we are SF/F authors, after all.)

But I’m troubled by your comments on assimilation.  You say, “Groups that self-isolate, that determinedly distinguish themselves by location, by language, by dress, will not be accepted as readily as those that plunge into the mainstream.”  This conflates identity with isolation, and presumes that isolation, when it occurs, is entirely self-imposed.  But I agree with you that often groups which appear “different” are not as readily accepted.

I don’t see that as a failure of those who choose not to “assimilate.”  I see that as a failure of the rest of us to accept those who are not like us.

With regard to the community center, you said, “When an Islamic group decided to build a memorial center at/near the site of the 9/11 attack, they should have been able to predict that this would upset a lot of people.”

I suspect most Muslims in this country recognize that building a mosque (or an Islamic community center) will upset people.  Of course, most Muslims also recognize that a vocal minority of our country is upset simply by the fact that Muslims exist.  Should Muslims allow intolerance, ignorance, and hatred to dictate their actions?

What troubles me most is your commentary on citizenship, and the implication as to who is and is not deserving of such.  You use Muslim and immigrant interchangeably, as though the only Muslims in this nation are newcomers to our shores, ignoring those who have lived here and fought for this country in times of war for generations.  And then you talk about how we “let Muslims believe stuff that unfits them for citizenship.”

I would love to know what these forbidden beliefs are, and how you feel they unfit someone for citizenship.

Last week I defended the right of a U. S. citizen to spread a message I despise.  Because that’s what this country is supposed to be.  Not a land of the like-minded.  Not a land where thoughts and beliefs, religious or otherwise, disqualify one for citizenship.  But a land of disagreement.  A land that doesn’t fear difference, but celebrates it.  A land that draws strength from diversity.

We don’t always live up to those ideals.  When it comes to immigration and assimilation, we fail often.  We mock those who are different.  We pressure them to give up their history and their heritage.  We drive a wedge between children of immigrants and their families.  That is our failure, and it is unforgivable.

You mentioned the “responsibilities of citizenship in a non-Muslim country.”  But this is a Muslim country.  It is also a Jewish country.  It is an atheist country.  It is a country of Quakers and a country of Mormons, a country of Catholics and a country of Baptists.  (Even, I have no doubt, a country of Jedi.)

I believe terrorists who would attack this country should be hunted down and stopped.  I believe those whose beliefs lead them to violate the law should be punished.  But I do not believe in punishing or restricting the rights of the many for the acts of a few.  There are an estimated 600,000 Muslims living in New York City alone.  They are as American as you or I.  Not because they have been assimilated, but because this country welcomed them … even if sometimes its people do not.

You close by commenting on the responsibilities of citizenship.  I believe one of those responsibilities is to defend the principles this country stands for … even when those principles make us uncomfortable.

I don’t mean to lecture, and it’s not my intention to talk down to you or attack you, but this is (obviously) something I feel very passionately about.

You remarked in your newsgroup, “Saying anything someone doesn’t like greatly reduces their ability to read what was written.”  I suspect you will not like what I’ve written here.  I hope, when you’ve gotten a little distance from the anger and pain your post triggered, that you’ll read it anyway.  I don’t expect you to agree with everything I’ve said, but I hope you’ll consider why so many people have expressed feeling angry and hurt by your words.

Yours,
Jim C. Hines

Mirrored from Jim C. Hines.

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From: [personal profile] wyldbutterflies


Thank you. Just thank you for putting everything I have been thinking and couldn't express into words. This was brilliant and well thought out and amazing to read.

Thank you.
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Some lost responses


I was impressed by the eloquence of the responses, and, in particular, by the eloquence of several people who pointed out that their families did try to assimilate, how much pain that assimilation caused, and how useless assimilation was, fundamentally, for people with visibly nonwhite skins.

I highly, highly recommend a non-lost response, sanguinity's eloquent fury at the use of an unrecognizable version of the Native American experience as a throwaway talking point. I recommend it not just for its anger but as an education: things not to say in one's own writing.
Edited (typorrific) Date: 2010-09-20 03:10 pm (UTC)
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Re: Some lost responses


*yes*. That absolutely rocked. That seems to be the way it works in these things -- you get some passionate, well-thought-out responses that far, far surpass the original stimulus. See: Deepa's I Didn't Dream of Dragons.

Note that I'm not saying that the glorious responses make the original pain and anger worthwhile.

For those who want to slog through all the known responses, [personal profile] elf has done the heavy lifting.
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From: [personal profile] jonquil

Re: Some lost responses


Trinker's response was one of the ones I was thinking about, now resurrected in her journal. She talks about her mother refusing to put Japanese chocolates in her lunches, and about her father hiding his bonsai in the back yard.
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From: [personal profile] dantesspirit


I read most of that post. My brain refuses to put into tactful, coherent wording my thoughts about much of it.

That said, I strongly disagree with what you wrote about citizenship and the obligations of the Muslim community with regard to the Mosque at Ground Zero (which is, in fact, neither a Mosque nor at Ground Zero.)

WHY WON'T PEOPLE GET THIS!?!

I don't know how many other ways it can be said before people will understand that it is NOT a Mosque. Argh.
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From: [personal profile] jonquil


Consider how often the point has been made that Obama is an American citizen born in Hawaii; it's pretty hard to explain away the contemporary birth announcements in the newspapers, but that's not stopping anybody.
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From: [personal profile] jonquil

Re: Some lost responses


I don't know if she was moderating comments -- I didn't reply -- but I was struck by, with a couple of exceptions, the remarkably high quality of most of the responses.

Trinker's really hit me hard, especially the crying when her co-workers started bringing in their newly-fashionable bento boxes.
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From: [personal profile] bodlon


Between you, Cat Valente, and Kate Orman, I am loving my genre(s) again.

This is win, sir.

From: [personal profile] kateorman


Hi - I'm here via [personal profile] bodlon over at lj. Good on you for the above! I've been avoiding responses to Ms Moon's posting because, if past experience is any guide, there'll be far more heat than light. Your response gives me hope for the heat:light ratio. :)

I suspect most Muslims in this country recognize that building a mosque (or an Islamic community center) will upset people.

That's an excellent point. Shamefully, here in Sydney, it seems as though every new mosque or Islamic school is met with resistance, often from open bigots.

You mentioned the “responsibilities of citizenship in a non-Muslim country.” But this is a Muslim country. It is also a Jewish country. It is an atheist country. It is a country of Quakers and a country of Mormons, a country of Catholics and a country of Baptists. (Even, I have no doubt, a country of Jedi.)

I'm reading Waleed Aly's enlightening book People Like Us. He says that, according to a traditional view, dar al-Islam, "the abode of Islam" - what we might call "the Islamic world" - is any country where Muslims are free to worship. That definition would exclude "Muslim countries" such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, where some minority Muslim denominations are persecuted. But it includes "non-Muslim countries" such as the US and Australia! Our traditions of freedom of worship are flawed, and under fire; but in that sense, IMHO being "a Muslim country" is something to be proud of.

Cheers,
- Kate

(PS my own ongoing responses to the posting can be found here.)
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